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“Hail mortals, I come to thee from my fairy grove to lug thee tidings of great woe,” claims a glitter-speckled womale flapping a pair of iridescent wings in the middle of a faux-forest, her otherwise naked body strategically festooned in butterflies. “Western society is being ruined — by cucks, and also by sex bfinishing, intoxication, and sodomy,” she intones solemnly. “You recognize, things that have never happened in Europe.”

ContraPoints, whose actual name is Natalie Wynn, is recognized for slick, moodily lit YouTube videos that attract thousands of hundreds of views, wright here she brings a leftist perspective to a range of hot-switch issues — points favor structural racism, Marxism, transsex national politics, and the alt-right. With a wink, she calls herself “among YouTube’s leading B-List transsexuals.”

For a time, Wynn pursued a PhD in scholastic philosophy, however she left as soon as she found the academy too stifling and hidebound; in this light, ContraPoints is a gloriously reliable act of revenge, redistributing the wide range of knowledge in digestible form.

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But her affect and also persona are what made her brainy, insightful videos famous. More than most of her contemporaries on “LeftTube,” Wynn has a style; her editorial signature is an unmistakably ornate flourish. Her ContraPoints persona is decadent in the mold of Osvehicle Wilde by method of Weird Twitter: sexily confident and fearlessly indulgent, with orations delivered from plush chairs and scented baths. Her style extends to the postmodern rococo of her set style and the bewildering variety of costumed characters she plays on her show, giving us something prefer Platonic thoughtful dialogues in the idiom of social media.

ContraPoints as a character is nopoint if not luxuriously indulgent: “sex, drugs, and also social justice” guarantees Wynn’s Twitter bio. It seemed correct to sit down for a drink with her — albeit a digital one. So I poured my Scotch and collection around asking her a couple of questions, especially about her online persona, her controversies, and also her sense of irony — a sharp cocktail of eros and also empathy that elevates her political commentary to a singularly powerful aircraft.


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Natalie Wynn in her kitchen.
The stress and anxiety between persona and perchild, familiar to all who are touched by even a feather of fame, is noticeable in Wynn’s occupational and virtual existence. She sometimes struggles via the potential problems in between what she desires to say, the expectations of the fans who make memes about her and also deliver her views — occasionally as many kind of as half a million per video — and also a varied transgender neighborhood who has actually involved see her as a representative. The wider left digital, energized by a actual feeling that today’s situations existing an opportunity for socialist movements, is also beginning to check out her as an envoy for the cause; an articulate, attractively cool leftist who’s reaching the digital generation where we live.

Nathan J. Robinson, editor-in-chief at the leftist online magazine Current Affairs, writes that what ContraPoints does is “smart … persuasive ... fun. More of this type of point, please. God bless ContraPoints. She’s a nationwide treacertain.”

But such push provides misactions costly. Last November, Wynn was harshly criticized by many of her viewers for agreeing to a Vancouver dispute at the College of British Columbia’s “Free Speech Club” with Blaire White, a self-explained conservative YouTuber who has common coy tweets with Ricdifficult Spencer, enthusiastically supported far appropriate activist Lauren Southern (whose a lot of recent exploits incorporate participating in explorations to strike asylum seekers in the Mediterranean Sea and also ginning up are afraid about immigrants in Melbourne), and Milo Yiannopoulos (whose relations to the extreme ideal, and also actual Neo-Nazis are well documented). She has actually additionally donned blackface (which many kind of interpreted to mock Babsence Lives Matter, a regular taracquire —though she has given that deleted many of her YouTube videos attacking them) and when posted on Facebook that “if he ain’t Aryan, we ain’t marryin’.” Condemcountry was swift, and Wynn was accoffered of legitimizing a fascist.

“I think they are worth speaking to, for a couple of factors,” she wrote in a prolonged thcheck out deffinishing herself. “I have actually conflicted feelings about it myself however have actually determined to take the threat in order to promote a leftist perspective that I believe at leastern some of the audience is receptive to.” While some declared that she was being provided as a naive prop by the far-ideal, she insisted that quite than seeing all her ideological opposites as “hopeless bigots,” that many kind of in their audience hadn’t taken into consideration various other points of watch in any detail.


One of the tenets of leftist thought is expected to be that many type of famous mindsets are the result not of individual moral defects, however of a cumulative default method of seeing: "bourgeois ideology," "rape culture," "male gaze" "cis/hetero normativity"

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In the finish, she told me, White “flaked out” on the controversy, and also Wynn ended up chatting with the moderator to a “pretty tiny classroom.” But amid the call-outs, she forswore future disputes via right wing extremists, almost petulantly, because “my heart can’t take the backlash anyeven more.” In a subsequent, browsing Twitter thcheck out she composed about just how the backlash had actually forced her to entirely rethink her life.

“At first, I was confused that anyone can view me as this figure of any importance. But currently I think I’m starting to type of obtain it,” she told me, before describing fan meetups in the US and Canada wbelow she met over a hundred various other trans human being who impressed upon her the importance of her function. This, she said, led to freshly out trans civilization looking as much as her as an instance of confidence and also success in shift. “There’s the majority of emotional investment, not in me yet in people’s idea of me.”

“This is the ideal item of advice I have the right to give to aspiring YouTubers,” she composed on Twitter at the time: “your audience are not your friends. They are spectators. Their love is very contingent. The minute you fuck up you’re dead to them. They do not love you. They love an principle of you.”

Ultimately the hurt feelings gave method to a brand-new sense of obligation. “I basically had to radically adjust the way I behave virtual,” she tells me. She’s tried to attract a clearer line in between her persona and herself, cutting ago on revealing personal streams, eschewing flashy public disputes, and also reasoning more critically around how her job-related will be understood.


ContraPoints uses us a sense of what it looks choose to combat the emotional appeal of neo-fascists via somepoint similarly visceral

Confronting the right, she claims, is “generally my mission,” however “the way I go about it has actually definitely adjusted.” Beyond that, however, she has involved question the energy of these sorts of one-on-one arguments. “A controversy,” she told me, “is a very specific kind of performance.” Wynn’s allude is well taken; debates rarely test the rigor of ideas, yet the strength of one’s pitch. That pitch combines many elements: appearance, style, rhetoric. But “truth” is not forced, just an excellent argument. Though frequently conflated, these are not the exact same. A persuasive debate is not necessarily an accurate one; a poor discussion is not necessarily wrong.

Wynn readily available up an instance of the latter from her earliest days as a YouTuber: she’d discussed Blaire White prior to, online, well prior to she herself had transitioned.

“Even though I think whatever I shelp is fundamentally true,” she said, “I looked awkward. I was wearing this awkward pink anime wig and also not looking at the video camera and simply talking favor an insecure man. And I’m next to, you understand, the conservative shitlord fish-queen supreme,” she shelp, laughing. “None of this has anything to perform via reason, namong this has anypoint to carry out with proof, none of these points human being imagine themselves being persuaded by.”

The cult of rationality that pervades so much discourse across the political spectrum neglects the duty of emovement in our decisionmaking, and also, maybe many urgently, the function of emotional appeal in the success of many neo-fascist movements around the world. Perhaps the most important point ContraPoints uses us is a sense of what it looks favor to combat that vision through somepoint similarly visceral.


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There’s constantly a moment in her videos that throws you.

In the aforementioned episode, “The West,” it isn’t her performance as a glamorously nude faerie queen; instead, it’s her nostalgic reflection on the classic real-time-strategy game Age of Empires, including a little bit wright here the bearded “prophet” from the game magically willed a metaphorical gender transition from male to female. She acsuppliers this with a flirty lament about The Golden One, a Swedish YouTube personality that mixes bodybuilding with neo-fascism and also looks exactly prefer the ‘roided-out Aryan slab you’d mean.

“Ah, The Golden One,” Contra says, “his soul and mine are intermingled. Probably bereason we both played 1,200 hrs of Period of Empires in 1999 and then somepoint went terribly wrong. Fuckin’ 9/11! It provided to be such an innocent decision, selecting to play the Franks or the Saracens, and also then it came to be this huge civilizational struggle… and that’s why this man is a fascist and also I flourished as much as be a woman.”

When deconstructing the sludge of alt-ideal YouTube, Contra repetitively and methodically picks apart the initially ethics of streamers. But she uses a coquettish tone when she talks around The Golden One — a strategy that is as subversive as it is reliable. Infinite jest, paincompletely finite seriousness, all at the price of a self-significant fascist bodybuilder. “There are things you can say in the voice of a fictional character that you might not discover any kind of various other method,” she tells me.

As the election of Donald Trump plainly demonstrates, mocking bigots is not sufficient in itself to sheight them. Instead, Wynn provides a various tool to humorously weaken her most sanctimonious right-wing targets: seduction. Her video about right-wing self-assist guru Jordan Peterkid begins with her flirting through him (or a masked mannequin of him, at any rate) at some length, sitting him dvery own in her bathroom so he can watch her bathe while she critiques him. She calls him “daddy.”

There’s a lot to unfill right here, yet in brief, as Wynn puts it, “You respond to a political enemy and have the version of that conversation be seduction. Since commonly what you have actually on YouTube is this extremely combative posture right? Ownage. Wrecking. Destroying your foe.” It is, she claims, a “toxically masculine posture: the idea that a conversation or an debate is about destroying another person. That’s a damaging assumed and a terrible means to have actually discourse.”


It is fun to watch, however, as Wynn notes. Thus, to entertain without giving into that ‘x evisceprices y’ screaming-headline discourse, she transforms to seduction. Far from adding to their mystique (could one imagine Jordan Peterchild as a sex symbol?) it actually helps chip amethod at their threatening postures.

“I die laughing every time TheGoldenOne is had in your videos,” writes one commenter. That, indeed, is the allude. And it’s bigger than just making a funny for its very own sake.

The strategy captures a dynamic listed by fellow LeftTuber, film movie critic Lindsay Ellis, in her analysis of the satire in Mel Brooks’ The Producers. She suggests that aesthetics of the earnestly anti-Nazi film American History X are eagerly aped by actual neo-Nazis, however the uproariously campy rendition of Hitler’s Germany in The Producers is not. Real life Nazis are not, Ellis notes dryly, singing “Springtime for Hitler.” In the finish, despite all the controversy around the film, it hit them wbelow it hurt.

Wynn’s strikes as ContraPoints are similarly surgical, and what parses as lighthearted jocularity or inexplicable sex-related attractivity at initially easily resolves right into a online pantsing. It’s a prologue to an elegant crash course in the history of postmodernism and why Peterson’s obscurantism makes him tough to argue with. Calling Jordan Peterchild “daddy” and also showing him as a robot lovingly watching Wynn bathe doesn’t ennoble him; it erodes him. That was made clear as soon as Peterson’s sole response to Wynn’s very closely suggested video was a mere “no comment,” once he had thundered at and also also intimidated more earcolony (much less flirty) critics.

Irony is a means rather than an finish for ContraPoints. In an age saturated by Dadaist humor on eincredibly social media platdevelop, where memes come to be news, this can seem to be a meaningless difference. But it renders all the distinction. For all of her racy humor, Wynn is no edgelord. Throughout her interwatch, she was nothing if not deeply sincere.

She decries what she calls the “South Park” sensibility, which, as she sees it, holds that “the difficulty via the civilization is that some civilization take it seriously.” It’s a centrist viewallude, she says, which “the fascists latched ideal onto and did a great project through, because that cares more than the social justice warriors? ‘Look at them with their indicators, their protests, their complaints. Look at these poor, naive, uncool fools caring around a thing and trying to make the human being much better unironically.’”

But at the exact same time, she observed that irony can be a powerful tool to make world care.


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Wynn as her character, Tiffany kind of Tumbles.
Wynn is often such an eloquent middle finger to alt-best pretensions that it deserve to obscure the truth that she is profoundly brand-new at this. She’s a streamer whose two-year-old YouTube channel is older than her life as an out transgender womale, the ruptures of which punctuate her videos from the past year as everything from jokes to digressions to entirety episodes worth of vein-stripping understanding.

Her humor can’t be lessened to the discrete block of a “skit” or a throwamethod gag; it’s expressively wstove into the points she’s making, and just rarely feels like a distractivity — as it so often deserve to once late-night comedians clumsily attempt to sign up with significant topics via zany type of humor. Where John Oliver’s humor is a non-sequitur punctuation to the meaty topics that he covers on Last Week Tonight, ContraPoints’ develop is the content. And in the process she’s just as enlightening as Oliver, more radical, and also definitely more elegant.

In her current video “Tiffany kind of Tumbles,” she shows up as a satirical character — the eponymous Tiffany — a sassy trans fashion vlogger who dons a MAGA hat and rants about “the Muslims” in between makeup tips. The suggest of this episode, among her many intricate and emotional performances, is to obtain inside the head of Tiffany to disclose how “just how bigotry becomes internalized and also how internalized bigoattempt becomes the alibi of external bigotry.”

This type of exercise in vulnercapability is fairly distinct — also among comedians, who practice an artdevelop defined by self-deprecation. Wynn’s humor folds earlier on itself into affirmation, after all, which trans civilization in particular need in a political age wright here our extremely presence is organized up for dispute. And that’s how we involved the semiotics of sucking a trans woman’s dick.


About halfmeans with the Tiffany type of Tumbles video, viewers get an extended disquisition about the distinct contours of transgender sexuality. In the guise of another character, a plassist shirt-wearing trans lesbian named Adria, Wynn discusses why being a lesbian needn’t involve an avariation to penises, because, among other things, a “feminine penis” attached to a woguy deserve to involve a physically different suffer.

“So to begin through,” Adria states, “it doesn’t obtain as difficult, it doesn’t really ejaculate, and it has a different mouthfeel. Can we please talk about the mouthfeel? Why is no one talking around the mouthfeel?” she repeats, looking straight right into the camera with her clear-framed glasses as the camera zooms in. “Girl-dick is every little thing soft and smooth.” The irony lies in the confronting vulgarity of this speech, however not in its substance. It’s a sincere report on sex-related experience among trans womales and also trans-feminine people. A woman with a penis is not a contradiction, and she deserve to likewise sell a distinct sex-related experience; none of that invalidates her case to womanhood.

The video is a crescendo for Contra’s actors of personalities, nearly all of whom continue to be on simply the ideal side of caricature. “Anyone who writes fiction strives to display personalities as even more than one-dimensional,” she tells me. Not so with political satire, she laments, “also though your villains have interiority — they love, they hate, they feel.” She wants to go beyond mockery and the point-scoring of discussing hypocrisy. “There’s this imaginative drive or something in me that impels me to sympathize through villains,” she mirrors, “but it’s probably not a good impulse as someone who desires to carry out activism as well.”

The story she tells around Tiffany type of Tumbles is a tragedy around self-loapoint turning to evil, revealing that potential trajectory in us all. Wynn uses Tiffany to discover the battles of all trans womales in a method that doesn’t excuse that bigoattempt. It’s a surprisingly affecting tableau of trans sexuality, insecurity, and the quiet desperation we all live with, refracted via the life of a self-immolating woguy that sells out her sisters in the wishes of dulling her own pain. Tiffany’s individual hell — revealed via a climactic breakdown scene that Wynn says took her eight takes over 3 days to film — is framed as an especially deep circle of infernal indefense common by all trans womales, consisting of Wynn herself.

“It’s exceptionally individual stuff,” Wynn says about the transness of her videos, which have viewed her adjust visibly prior to her audience, “and also it’s deeply interwrange via political commentary, including great things about my sex life and points around my body, or anxious thoughts I have when I’m trying to autumn asleep at night… The deeper targain of is not Blaire White, yet my brain.”


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Wynn as her character, Tiffany type of Tumbles.
Tright here deserve to be no decadence without the theatrical tragedy of a shattered glass; when the glass drops below, it punctures a scalding scene around the fact of trans existence. Tumbles is alone at night, after participating in a right-wing conflict display, drinking herself right into a stupor after reading transphobic comments from the very best wingers she’s pandering to. Her cocktail glass shatters as she finally passes out; she’ll challenge another day as a MAGA vlogger. She lives a lie, yet not as a womale. The lie is her tragic idea that her public self-abasement will certainly win her any actual affection from anyone.

Wynn calls the video “cathartic” — and I felt it too; it was a item of job-related that transmutes babsence humor into searing empathy. It toyed through deeply individual pain that somejust how cut deeply to my bone. Tiffany’s anxieties — about dysphoria, her self-loathing, her false belief that she might do anything to soptimal bigoattempt being hurled at her — are common to so many of us trans human being. Yet the ironic tone, a mixer in a fine cocktail, took the edge off the tough stuff. When pain emerged ungarnimelted, it was not just more touching, however expressive for that fact. The wound is actual, and the truth that tbelow are no Contra jokes to wrap it up in provides Tiffany’s breakdvery own a hiss-inducing sting. Thunstable it all, Contra’s irony isn’t simply used to wound others, but to expand also our sense of empathy.

We see it in her latest video, as well — a meaningfully fresh take on so-referred to as “incel” neighborhoods. Without validating what she likens to a “fatality cult,” Wynn explores the similarities between the digital self-harm of incels and that of trans woguys that are beforehand in their transitions, building a bridge of empathy via a noxious team that has developed literal terrorists. She calls their worldsee “masochistic epistemology”: “whatever damages is true.”

In the procedure, she not only helps us understand why incels think what they believe, yet why all of us feel a certain desire to read hurtful things about ourselves online; all this, interspersed with phrenology jokes that Contra web links to her very own desire to obtain facial feminization surgery. Speaking to incels, Contra tells them that they usage their debates not as true policy positions, however “as razor blades to abuse yourselves. And I recognize. Since I’ve done the exact same thing.”


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Wynn as her character, Tabby.
Despite the sharpening of her skills as an ironist, and also learning exactly how to balance persuasiveness with conviction, that disaffix between Wynn and also her digital persona remains; it bedevils her as it bedevils all the streamers and also microcelebrities who dominate our age. In a recent tweet she oboffered, via characteristic humor: “BDE is a really helpful concept to me because I’m often asked to explain the distinction in between my virtual persona and also me as a perkid. I can’t think of a much better method to put it than this: ‘Contra’ has actually BDE. I do not.”

It brings one back to the question of what “BDE” is — a question that’s very a lot Contra’s sort of approach. “A lot of Contra’s BDE comes from what, in actual life, would be escalator wit,” she tells me. “After an encounter via a bigot, you think of clever retorts that, in a genuine confrontation, you don’t have actually the agility or the courage to develop. Well, Contra has actually a manuscript and also she have the right to fire these things off from the security of the studio.”

Wynn added, “I’m agreeable to a fault. So Contra is choose this superhero I imagined that states the things I want to say.”


Her views have actually been affected by the personalities she has created, too. The wildly famous character of Tabby — an anarcho-communist trans cat-girl who sports an ANTIFA patch and wields a basesphere bat to smash capitalism — started life as a caricature of radicals that Wynn felt weren’t strategically minded enough. But her audience “resonated with the character,” finding her a “cute and kind of cathartic” existence and also, therefore, she says, “I’ve switched to illustrating her in a more sympathetic light.” Increasingly, Tabby feels like a part of Wynn’s very own psyche as she herself has radicalized.

In a current video, when Contra and Tabby were arguing around revolution versus electdental reform, Tabby broached the unsettling possibility that the 2020 presidential election could be “delayed” or canceled outright. “Well,” Contra said, “then I’ll transition right into you and also come to be you unironically.” It feels like she’s acquiring tbelow, absolutely.

The a lot of noteworthy difference in between Contra and also the woguy that plays her lies in the question of sincerity; in perboy, Wynn is earnest and agonizes over the utility of her work. Contra, meanwhile, deserve to blithely say into the camera: “Reason; power; truth. These are the kinds of topics that I sindicate don’t care about.” Alas, she sighs, she supposes she has to talk about them. But after my time with her, I currently sense a perceptible wink behind all that influenced aloofness and also decadent disdain. Committing the cardinal sin of our age, Wynn cares deeply; almost as well a lot.


This self-awareness and Wynn’s forceful separation of herself from her YouTube persona has grown normally out of her virtual experiences, including the painful ones. Instead of letting her fans pretfinish that they know the actual her simply from seeing her occupational, she has currently attracted clear borders. Fans aren’t friends, and performance isn’t self. It’s a difficult leskid to learn once thousands are watching — perhaps most especially in the moments once you’re actually in the wrong.

In our conversation, which sprawled over two hours and adjust, she was always quick to inspect herself, describe various other points of view sensibly, and also also criticize herself. But she likewise continued to be resolute about critiquing her allies. We had actually a specifically fruitful chat around the tendency for liberals and leftists to overuse words prefer “problematic” or “gaslighting” to the point of meaninglessness. Leftists, she cautions, are in danger of “entombing ourselves in this paranoid world of purity,” impenetrable to those whose past moral failings were even remotely public — a quickly broadening population in a civilization overcame by social media. “How was I able to end up being a leftist number on the internet? Well, only bereason I was nobody.”


I involved the interwatch wanting to ask pointed questions around some of her biggest controversies and also criticisms: her abortive controversy via Blaire White, her vulnercapacity to the tactic of “lovebombing” — attempting to influence someone via insincere positive attention — from the alt-best, and her decision to accept an interview with journalist Jesse Singal, an inexplicably constant commentator on trans issues whose work is related to by many kind of trans people as hostile to the area.

Wynn lugged up each of these topics without being motivated. She notes a chronic stress and anxiety among her fans and also allies “that I am going to perform a face-heel turn… that I’m going to basically go to the dark side and also become a fascist or somepoint.” But she clearly pays attention to that responds to her and what their motives might be. She listed that after her heat interwatch with Singal she was lovebombed by “centrists and also best wingers” that readily available false comfort over just how she was being criticized by other trans people.

She’s philosophical around the affair currently, regretcompletely noting that she didn’t know the appropriate history behind his story defending a medical professional at the infamous Centre for Addiction and also Mental Health in Toronto, a state-funded clinic which many type of trans people, myself consisted of, have likened to conversion treatment for trans people.

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She was horrified, later, once she experienced Singal’s recent and also much-criticized cover story for The Atlantic, a 10,000 word apotheosis of his moral panic about trans youngsters receiving therapy for sex dysphoria. It’s a well-known hobby-steed for media in both the US and also UK: scaremongering around an imagined wave of young gender non-conforming cis children being required by well-meaning doctors to take hormones and also have life-altering surgeries.

“I cried when I saw that cover of The Atlantic,” she told me. “Due to the fact that I realize I had actually been an alibi to this person who’d simply created this post for a major glossy magazine through a cover that appears to misgender a trans son twice.”

For both Wynn and Contra, her ascent as a significant leftist voice on YouTube has been a crash course, one that occurred at the breakneck pace of social media, live-streamed in actual time. Tbelow has been bit room for error, none for rehearsal, and also few quiet spaces for this kind of reflection. But it is clear that she’s listened to her left-leaning critics over the last few months, and that she’s a good deal savvier than she’s occasionally provided crmodify for.

I’ve been out as a trans woguy for a decade currently and I feel a particular arrogance creeping upon my thoughts when I’m not looking: that yearning to condescfinish to newly out trans world, to decase their lack of knowledge, suffer, and also, yes, enduring. But talking to Wynn candidly opened a home window on what that’s actually favor for a trans womale coming out today, before the snap judgment of hundreds of strangers in the putrefying swamps of Twitter and Reddit. Above all, it’s a path ameans from shame that various other queer civilization have the right to follow, not just in terms of her trajectory toward success, yet the playful, joyful, and honest method she philosophies it.

“I bring with me from my male upbringing a sense that femininity is forbidden,” she tells me. “So once I appear on YouTube with forty butterflies glued to my body and also glitter everywhere my face, I have a feeling that I’m gaining away through somepoint I’m not supposed to. I’m being decadent. I’m enjoying a forbidden pleasure. And that’s fun, and it’s funny. It’s constantly funny to watch someone shamelessly enjoy somepoint they’re not intended to reap.”

“If you’re going to be doing this miserable organization of talking to these far-right goons, you can too reap it.”